that night he went on 60 minutes and he told steve croft that he didn't know who it was. he had no idea what caused it. so he either didn't tell the truth when he was talking in the second debate or he didn't tell the truth on 60 minutes. i think i have the exact quote here somewhere. and it is really -- the american people deserve answers. >> do you think he has been deflecting on making ambassador rice the issue and you are going after the wrong person? what do you think of that? >> again, i don't know what to think. i don't think someone who gave false information when there was correct information out there. this was five days afterwards. when i was on the sunday show which was "face the nation" right after she spoke, the president of the libyan legislative assembly came on and said this is al-qaeda. this was a terrorist attack. so right there it was refuted. obviously facts have come in since the attack and the intervening five days that clearly indicated that it wasn't just a spontaneous demonstration. so she is responsible. but the main thing is the president of th